● Overshoot: How the World Surrendered to Climate Breakdown
Andreas Malm and Wim Carton
Interview with co-author (Malm) via NYTimes.com
Q: It’s hard for me to think of a realm outside of climate where mainstream publications would be engaging with someone, like you, who advocates political violence. (Just to be explicit about this: Malm does not endorse or advocate any political violence that targets people. His aim is violence against property.) Why are people open to this conversation?
A: If you know something about the climate crisis, this means that you are aware of the desperation that people feel. It is quite likely that you feel it yourself. With this desperation comes an openness to the idea that what we’ve done so far isn’t enough. But the logic of the situation fundamentally drives this conversation: All attempts to rein in this problem have failed miserably. Which means that, virtually by definition, we have to try something more than we’ve tried…. Political history is replete with movements that have conducted sabotage without taking the next step. But the risk is there. One driver of that risk is that the climate crisis itself is exacerbating all the time. It’s hard-wired to get worse. So people might well get more desperate.